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Може ли да има нешто обшто между МК и БГ?
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Молдовците в Румъния са интегрирани като част от румънския народ.

Определящите се като молдовци живеят главно в Република Молдова (включително в Приднестровието, където представляват 65% от населението, както и на територията на бившия СССР.
В световен мащаб 3 696 000 души се определят като молдовци, от които 3 253 000 населяват Молдова
01-11-2010, 04:41 PM
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Черногорците са южнославянски народ, които населяват Черна гора, където наброяват 41% от населението. Етническите черногорци са православни и мюсюлмани говорят на Черногорски език.
01-11-2010, 04:43 PM
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(01-11-2010, 03:40 PM)jingiby Wrote: И превратна участ спря крила над българи: през изкус и съсипни ще мине България, ала – ще изтрае. Погасна нимбата над Масър, умряха двата народа – близнаци на Междуречието, изгоря Гърция, погина Иудея, разсипа се Рома: само Бизанс и България останаха. … Но този, що се вслушва в пророчески вещаниа, знае твърдо, че неповолни бранни дни ще разсипят Бизанс навсегда, а България като Огнена Птица ще се възражда из собствена пепел, та до край на векове ще пребъде. Защото – гаснят звезди една по една. Ала Божият Лентион ще свети вечно – и Млечният Път ще бъде свет саван на мъртвата вселена...

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Second journey with Silas (Acts 15:36-18:22)

Paul and Barnabas planned to visit the churches they planted on their first journey. Barnabas wanted John Mark to accompany them, but Paul disagreed, so Barnabas took Mark and sailed to Cyprus, while Paul chose Silas and went through Syria and Cilicia, strengthening the churches everywhere. Paul and Silas then visited Derbe and Lystra (near Konya), where Paul chose a young Christian named Timothy to accompany them. They went through Phyrgia and Galatia and arrived in Alexandria Troas, where the Lord told Paul in a vision to go to Macedonia to preach.

Luke, the evangelist probably joined them in Troas, for from this point on he begins referring to the missionaries as "we". The four men sailed to Europe to Samothracia, Neapolis and to Philippi, where a godly woman named Lydia invited them into her house after she and her household was baptized. In Philippi Paul healed a demon-possessed slave girl, who made a profit for her masters by soothsaying. As she was not able to make profit after this, her masters brought Paul and Silas to the magistrates. They were beaten and cast into prison, but at midnight, as they prayed and sang praises to God, an earthquake shook the prison, all the doors opened and everyone's bands were loosened. Paul and Silas then preached the gospel to the frightened jailer and his household, and all believed and were baptized on the same night. Paul and Silas were publicly freed by the magistrates themselves the next day.

The four men then passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia and went to Thessalonica, a main seaport and an important commercial center in Macedonia, where Paul spoke in the synagogue of the Jews on three Sabbath days. Some of the Jews and many Greeks believed, but the unbelieving Jews stirred some crowds against them, so Paul and Silas had to leave the city by night. They moved on to Berea, where the Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word and searched the Scriptures to see if those things were so. Many Jews and Greeks in Berea believed, but the Jews of Thessalonica came to Berea and stirred up the people again. Afterwards, Paul went to Athens, a city full of idolatry and pagan philosophers. He disputed in the synagogue and in the market daily, and preached on the Areopagus. A few Greeks believed him but the others mocked.

Paul then journeyed to Corinth, one of the largest cities in the Roman Empire, where he convinced many Jews and Greeks, among them the chief ruler of the synagogue and all his household. In a night vision Lord Jesus encouraged Paul to continue to speak in Corinth, so he preached in the city for a year and a half. The Jews there stirred up persecution against Paul and tried to indict him in front of Gallio, the Roman deputy, but Gallio did not listen to them. Paul then sailed to Ephesus, the capital of the Roman province of Asia, where he stayed for a short time. He traveled to Jerusalem for the Passover, then back to Antioch.

C) Third journey (Acts 18:23-21:16)

After spending some time in Antioch, Paul revisited the churches in Galatia and Phyrgia to strengthen the disciples, then went to Ephesus. In Ephesus Paul found twelve followers of John the Baptist and baptized them in the name of Lord Jesus Christ. He laid his hands on them and the Holy Ghost came on them and they spoke with tongues and prophesied. Paul preached in the synagogue for three months, but when some hardened unbelievers spoke evil before the multitude, he separated the disciples from them and chose another place to teach daily. He continued this for two years, so that all Jews and Greeks in the Roman province of Asia (part of Asia Minor) heard the gospel of Christ. God did special miracles in Ephesus through Paul, as even the garments worn by him healed the sick and the demon-possessed. Many believed in Ephesus and many who practiced magic before brought their books together and burned them publicly. As many pagans turned to Christianity in Ephesus, formerly a center of pagan Diana worship, craftsmen and silversmiths, who manufactured idols and shrines, saw their profit diminishing. These craftsmen stirred up the pagans against Paul and his companions, but nobody was hurt in the end.

One of the most well known incidents on Paul's travels is the riot of the silversmiths in Ephesus. Towards the end of his time there Paul preached that "...gods made by human hands are not gods at all", a direct jibe at the silversmiths who made silver statuettes of Artemis and the temple for sale to pilgrims and tourists. Sales soon began to decline and one, Demetrius, a leader of the silversmiths, led a group of artisans against Paul saying "...the sanctuary of the great goddess Diana will cease to command respect; and then it will not be very long before she who is worshipped by all Asia and the civilized world is brought down from her divine pre-eminence.'' His speech caused an uproar and the band of silversmiths, and likely a number of merchants worried about the decline in business, rushed into the theatre shouting "Great is Diana of the Ephesians". Paul was not forced to leave the city by the authorities after this riot, but he evidently decided it was prudent to do so and set off for Macedonia.



Paul revisited the churches in Macedonia, then went to Greece, where he stayed for three months. As he was about to sail to Syria, some Jews laid wait for him, so he returned through Macedonia. In Alexandria Troas he raised up a young man who died after he fell down from the third floor of a house where Christians were gathered. Paul departed to Assos, from where he sailed with other disciples to Miletus via Mitylene, Chios, Samos and Trogyllium. In Miletus he met with the elders of the church from Ephesus and in his moving speech he bid farewell to them, knowing he would never see them again. He charged them to feed the flock, and warned them that wolves would enter their congregation and men would speak perverse things to draw away disciples.



Кога Апостол Павел минувал низ Македонија да го проповеда христијанството,се чудам оти не поминал низ Бугарија,нели уз пат му била?Sepotsmeva
01-11-2010, 06:18 PM
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Lydia from Macedonia


Lydia the Macedonina was the most significant "discovery" among the Bible's forgotten women. She was the women that provided the purple linen for the entire Senate of the Roman Empire.
Lydia from Macedonia - The first European Christian!
The book "The Bible's Forgotten Women" published in New York City as well in some other world capitals, included large interest in the public. Lydia the Macedonina was the most significant "discovery" among the Bible's forgotten women. She was the women that provided the purple linen for the entire Senate of the Roman Empire. The moment Apostol Paul appeared on the Macedonian ground, folowing the famous "Appeal of the Macedonian" with the equally sentence: Come to Macedonia and save us...Fear from inside and threats from outside, is the moment when the message of the Christianity turns from Palestinian into a universal message that attracts every non - Christian nation in the world. That is very moment of the beginning of the modern history of the human kind: Christianization of the Europe and the World. Lydia, the Macedonian, (that is her precise name in the Bible) was the first women, the first person at all, Christianized by Apostol Paul on this two thousand year long odyssey. Thus, the house of Lydia, the Macedonian, becomes the First European Church and in the world, too. A chorus of Angels comes to that House - Church to tell the story of the "Love Civilization, from His till the Crucifixion and the Ascension for salvation of the entire humankind.

Synopsis

ACT I

Desert. The Apostol Paul, whose legs are bleeding from the walk, meets a man who is actually a God's Angel. The Angel eases the pain of the man and invites him to go to Macedonia and helps those who live in great pain and suffer. Paul promises that he will go.
Philippi. A city in Macedonia that is ruled by immorality and is under the torture of the Roman soldiers. The Apostole Paul arrives in Philippi, accomanied by Silas and Timothy and is appalled by the immorality and the people who have no perspective. He meets thieves, prostitutes, murderes and self interested soldiers. There is a fire, but no one wants to help to put it out. The Apostol Paul, horrified from the sight, abandons the city. On the river bank, Lydia, Asia and Dina paint a white cloth with a purple color while Paul, Silas and Timothy approach them. Paul baptizes Lydia.

ACT II

Lydia's house. Lydia announces to everyone that in her house she allows to have preaching and have people baptized in the Religion of the Only God, Jesus Christ. At the same time in the Roman Senate, Cesar announces an edict with which he obliges all the Senators to be wear purple colored togas, made with the cloth produced in Macedonia. The Apostol Paul continues with the preaching and the baptizing, but is spied by Ikia, who falsely presents herself as a believer. Paul is betrayed and is locked up by the Roman soldiers.

ACT III

Paul, Silas and Thimoty are in prison. Lydia comes in front of the prison walls followed by a crowed of people. They all together pray to God for salvation. At the moment there is an earthquake. The walls of the prison fall down, but no one is hurt. Paul, Silas and Timothy are free and at the same time Lydia arrives and tells them that the Roman Praetorians decided to set them free. Thanking God they start moving towards the city where a crowed of people that has greater faith in God, meets them.

ACT IV

Lydia is preparing the horse caravan loaded with purple cloth. Smiling kids accompany her but one of them steps in front and falls down under the hoof of one of the horses. Everybody thinks that the child is dead but Lydia believes in God's savior even though everybody blames her for the child's death. The Roman soldiers accompany the child's mother. The mother blames Lydia while the soldiers announce that she will be executed. In that moment the Apostol Paul comes and with one movement of his hand the child becomes alive and happily throws himself into Lydia's arms. The mother is thrilled and Lydia announces that it is brought to life together with the one that lives in him, Jesus Christ. Paul, Timothy and Silas greet the people before they leave. They bless Lydia promising that she will be eternally mentioned. Lydia names them as the Three Suns of Macedonia.
Apostol Paul announces that Macedonia is the country selected by God and from here, from Macedonia the New Testament will be spread.
01-11-2010, 06:21 PM
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И што сега? Дали била Дупница во Македонија или не била?
(01-11-2010, 08:23 AM)Taridin Wrote: Дупница си била во Македонија - 1842 г.

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01-11-2010, 07:27 PM
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И Ќустендил!
01-11-2010, 07:28 PM
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(01-11-2010, 07:28 PM)Taridin Wrote: И Ќустендил!

-мене половината ми рода е от Дупница. баба ми говореше на Дупнишки, ама в Стара загора комшийките от незнание мислеха, че е от Македония и й викаха "бежанка" Icon_razz Там са Шопи, както са шопи и Куманово, Щип, Враня даже в Сърбия... Но все пак Дупница е почти на границата с Македония, както и Кюстендил...
01-11-2010, 07:31 PM
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Eееее, и ти си Бугарин како сите останати.
Прашам јас за времето до 1878 г.
01-11-2010, 08:06 PM
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(01-11-2010, 08:06 PM)Taridin Wrote: Eееее, и ти си Бугарин како сите останати.
Прашам јас за времето до 1878 г.

А зошто не прашаш за римско време? Тогава и Одрин бил в Македония. Ама Вардаро не бил.

Брех таа Македония бе, като амеба плава по балканот.
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(01-11-2010, 08:27 PM)Вовата Wrote: Брех таа Македония бе, като амеба плава по балканот.

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01-11-2010, 08:36 PM
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Ќe си го вратам Мостич. Изгледа Бугарите заборавиле кои се нивните прадедовци.
01-11-2010, 08:38 PM
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(01-11-2010, 08:38 PM)Taridin Wrote: Ќe си го вратам Мостич. Изгледа Бугарите заборавиле кои се нивните прадедовци.

-Язе Тарадине сум от Стара загора и затова сум ... Троянец, наследник на Хектора и Приама... Доказ ли искаш? Имам! Прочитай Амиан Марцелин, който написал во 4 век стихотвеорение за градот ми и го нарекал во стиховете:

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01-11-2010, 08:46 PM
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А зошто тогаш се правиш на Бугар?
Не го најдов Мостич, и Аспарух е ОК.
01-11-2010, 08:48 PM
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(01-11-2010, 08:48 AM)Taridin Wrote: според Александър Хаджи Русет (1843)

Хмм, според тази карта Граово, Мраката и Знеполе попадат в границите на Македония, а Охрид е извън. Go figure.

Сега се сещам, че Симеон Радев беше писал някъде, че когато бил дете този край се споменавал като част от Македония.

Все пак, по нашия край не се самоопределят като македонци, а само като шопи.
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01-11-2010, 08:55 PM
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(01-11-2010, 08:55 PM)Oxonian Wrote:
(01-11-2010, 08:48 AM)Taridin Wrote: според Александър Хаджи Русет (1843)

Хмм, според тази карта Граово, Мраката и Знеполе попадат в границите на Македония, а Охрид е извън. Go figure.

Сега се сещам, че Симеон Радев беше писал някъде, че когато бил дете този край се споменавал като част от Македония.

Все пак, по нашия край не се самоопределят като македонци, а само като шопи.

Според Ванче Михайлов Шоплукът обхваща:

В Македония: Скопско, Тетовско, Кумановско, Велешко и Щипско
В БГ: Благоевградско Дупнишко, Цялото Софийско поле а нагоре даже Видин и Враца са шопи според него...
В Сърбия:Враня и Пирот та чак до Ниш...

Според мене така той обявява и Торлаците за Шопи, но това си е негово мнение, което гледах да изразява в едно интервю през 90те/с Кеворкян в Италия/.
01-11-2010, 09:01 PM
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Русет? Дупница и Ќустендил се во Македонија според сите сведоштва до 1878 г.
Примери дадов 2 од Библијата на бугарската пропганда, ако сакаш да ти ги покажам сите.

Јаков Крајков исто се самоопределува - „из пределех македонских“
01-11-2010, 09:02 PM
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(01-11-2010, 08:13 AM)Taridin Wrote: Дупница Е дел од Македонија, како и Ќустендил. Имале поинаква судбина - биле вклучени во руската творба Кнежество Бугарија.

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Не си ја знаеш сопствената пропаганда.
Така де вие и за София викате оти бил най-голем македонски град, па месечинката, па най-големите реки на свет Амур-даря, Сар-даря и Вар-даря Yea
Ама Дупница никако да се найде на картата на "обединета Македония"...
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Нити па е в границите на днешен Благоевградски регион или още Пиринска Македония...
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Некой по-горе правилно рече оти в миналото под Македония се разбирало областта около днешен Одрин (Едрене).
Пропагандата на тебе изгледа не ти е силна страна.От зор да ни покажеш каде е Дупница била показваш документ за БЪЛГАРСКИТЕ УЧИЛИЩА в Дупница, Велес, Скопие, Кратово и т.н. Smiley-happy068
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(01-11-2010, 09:02 PM)Taridin Wrote: Русет? Дупница и Ќустендил се во Македонија според сите сведоштва до 1878 г.
Примери дадов 2 од Библијата на бугарската пропганда, ако сакаш да ти ги покажам сите.

Јаков Крајков исто се самоопределува - „из пределех македонских“

Географските граници на Македония са различни, не е чудно някой да вкара Дупница в нея, така е и с Южната граница в посока Тесалия също е много размита и несигурна. Но ако говорим за диалекти, то половината Македонци в Р.М са всъщност Шопи....
01-11-2010, 09:06 PM
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Не некој. Сите извори зборуваат дека до 1878 Дупница и Ќустендил биле во Македонија.
01-11-2010, 09:11 PM
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