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Bugarskiot fasizam i teror nad nas MAKEDONCITE
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Zarem uste nekoj ke ne ubeduva deka treba so tatarite da bideme braka i da imame dobri dobrososedski odnosi, poglednetego videoto i da naucat za tie sto neznaat koi se TURKO MONGOLITE.




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ХА-ХА Наци ме насмеяYea....Стари Юго-комунарски филми на кой БЪЛГРСКИТЕ ОФИЦЕРИ ЗБОРУВАТ БЪЛГРСКИ СО СРБСКИ АКЦЕНТ JeeeJeeeJeee


Е со вакви антибулгарски филми србите ви ги пераха мозакот ...за вас овае историческата вискина нели ..бухахаххах колко си г....!
Националист дали си свестен дека НАЦИОНАЛИТ=ФАШИТ !!!!!!
"Който ми каже дека не съм македонец ке му го скинам езикот, който ми каже дека не съм българин ке му секам главата"
Тодор Александров

"Македония без Българи огин ке я гори "
Иван Михайлов

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Е вака пак се пераа мозаците на бугарите от бугарските комунари ....бухахаха ...Наци-поздрав





Бугарските комунари-партизани против "бугарскиот окупатор"



"Който ми каже дека не съм македонец ке му го скинам езикот, който ми каже дека не съм българин ке му секам главата"
Тодор Александров

"Македония без Българи огин ке я гори "
Иван Михайлов

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(10-10-2010, 05:42 AM)NACIONALIST Wrote: Zarem uste nekoj ke ne ubeduva deka treba so tatarite da bideme braka i da imame dobri dobrososedski odnosi, poglednetego videoto i da naucat za tie sto neznaat koi se TURKO MONGOLITE.





Комунистичка пропаганда.
Прличев до крајот на својата учителска кариера па и во Солунската гимназија предавал на македонски и ги терал учениците да изговараат според гласовниот систем на македонски јазик

Прличев во Солунската гимназија предавал на македонски јазик, свесно и настојчиво.
10-10-2010, 07:32 AM
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Фаши,язе не сакам да си ми ти нито брат,ни да та знаа!Не сери на дедовските си гробове,щото,ако си човек от срам треба да ти е жежко!
Когато говориш на Бог, това е молитва. Когато Господ ти говори - това е шизофрения.
10-10-2010, 09:28 AM
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Хехе, инфантилот кој секојдневно плука по комуњарите, се служи со нивниот пропаганден материјал. Долго време ви се чудам што на форумов му давате толкаво значење одговарајќи му на испрдоците.
Let me hear you make decisions without your television.
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Military history of Bulgaria during World War II

On 6 April 1941, despite having officially joined the Axis Powers, the Bulgarian government maintained a course of military passivity during the initial stages of the invasion of Yugoslavia and the invasion of Greece. As German, Italian, and Hungarian troops crushed Yugoslavia and Greece, the Bulgarians remained on the side-lines. The Yugoslav government surrendered on 17 April and the Greek government surrendered on 30 April. Before the Greek government capitulated, on 20 April, the period of Bulgarian passivity ended when the Bulgarian Army entered Greece and Yugoslavia. The goal was to gain an Aegean Sea outlet in Thrace and Eastern Macedonia. The Bulgarians occupied territory between the Struma River and a line of demarcation running through Alexandroupoli and Svilengrad west of Maritsa. Included in the area occupied were the cities of Alexandroupoli (Дедеагач, Dedeagach), Komotini (Гюмюрджина, Gyumyurdzhina), Serres (Сяр, Syar), Xanthi (Ксанти), Drama (Драма) and Kavala (Кавала) and the islands of Thasos and Samothrace, as well as almost all of what is today the Republic of Macedonia and much of Eastern Serbia. During the spring of 1943, the Bulgarian government, after protests led by the Bulgarian Orthodox Church and Dimitar Peshev M.P., succeeded in saving Bulgarian Jews from being sent to Nazi concentration camps. However, the Bulgarian troops rounded up all Jews in Greek Macedonia and Vardar Macedonia and sent them to Auschwitz.[1][dubious – discuss]

Garrison detachments, led by Zveno officers, overthrew the government on the eve of 9 September, after taking strategic points in Sofia and arresting government ministers. A new government of the Fatherland Front was appointed on 9 September with Kimon Georgiev as prime minister.War was declared on Germany and its allies at once and the weak divisions sent by the Axis Powers to invade Bulgaria were easily driven back. In Macedonia, the Bulgarian troops, surrounded by German forces, and betrayed by high-ranking military commanders, fought their way back to the old borders of Bulgaria. Unlike the Communist resistance, the right wing followers of the Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization (IMRO) saw the solution of the Macedonian Question in creating a pro-Bulgarian Independent Macedonian State. At this time the IMRO leader Ivan Mihailov arrived in German reoccupied Skopje, where the Germans hoped that he could form an Macedonian state on the base of former IMRO structures and Ohrana. Seeing that Germany had lost the war and to avoid further bloodshed, after two days he refused and set off.[2] Under the leadership of a new Bulgarian pro-Communist government, three Bulgarian armies (some 455,000 strong in total) entered Yugoslavia in September 1944 and moved from Sofia to Niš and Skopje with the strategic task of blocking the German forces withdrawing from Greece (under the command of Major Georgi Marinov Mandjev from the village of Goliamo Sharkovo, Elhovska Okolia). Southern and eastern Serbia and Macedonia were liberated within a month and the 130,000-strong Bulgarian First Army continued to Hungary, driving off the Germans and entering Austria in April 1945. Contact was established with the British Eighth Army in the town of Klagenfurt on 8 May 1945, the day the Nazi government in Germany capitulated.

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Ohrana

Ohrana (Bulgarian: Охрана with meaning: "Protection"); (Greek: Οχράνα) were armed collaborationist detachments organized by the former Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization (IMRO) structures, composed of Slavophone pro-Bulgarian oriented part of the population in Nazi-occupied Greek Macedonia during World War II and led by Bulgarian officers.[1][2] Bulgaria was interested in acquiring Thessalonica and Western Macedonia, under Italian and German occupation and hopped to sway the allegiance of the 80,000 Slavs who lived there at the time.[2] The appearance of Greek partisans in those areas persuaded the Italians to allow the formation of these collaborationst detachments.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohrana
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black hand Macedonia

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Македонска нација

Среда, 07 Јули 2010

Масовните гробници погребани во заборав

Околината на затворот „Идризово“ и Зајчев Рид во Скопско, локации во Кумановско и во Ресенско... се само дел од местата за кои постојат сигурни показатели дека таму се погребани неколку стотици егзекутирани без какво и да е судење или пресуда

Најмалку три масовни гробници со стреланите „народни непријатели“ во Македонија во првите години по Втората светска војна се' уште чекаат да бидат откриени за жртвите да добијат достојни почивалишта, укажуваат македонските историчари.Тие посочуваат дека постојат многу сознанија што може да помогнат да се најдат точните локации за да се извршат ископувања со кои би се расветлиле се' уште мистериозните исчезнувања на многу луѓе.

Околината на затворот „Идризово“, подрачјето на Зајчев Рид во Скопско, локации во Кумановско и во Ресенско... се само дел од местата за кои постојат сигурни показатели дека таму се погребани неколку стотици луѓе, најчесто егзекутирани без какво и да е судење или пресуда.Македонски историчар, вработен во Институтот за национална историја, кој сакаше да остане анонимен, вчера изјави дека со сигурност знае каде е една од локациите околу затворот „Идризово“.

- Таа е во самата близина на затворот. Информацијата ја добив од еден поранешен висок офицер на тогашната полициска управа ОЗНА, а наскоро ќе објавам и каде е точно тоа место. Кога разбрав каде е таа, се шокирав од помислата што човечкиот ум може да смисли за да си ги скрие трагите на ликвидацијата - вели историчарот.Тој посочува дека не знае точно колку луѓе таму се погребани, но дека истражувањето сигурно би помогнало за да се дознае дали таму се личности за чија судбина досега ништо не се знае.

Крвави траги од минатото
Неодамна, прво во Словенија, а потоа и во Хрватска, на две локации беа пронајдени масовни гробници со остатоци од повеќе илјади лица застрелани во 1945 година од новиот комунистички режим во тогашната Југославија. Словенечките власти во пештерата Худа Јама, во близина на Љубљана, најдоа мумифицирани остатоци од најмалку триста луѓе, најверојатно убиени со отровен гас. Во близина на граничниот премин Ригонце на хрватско-словенечката граница се најдени остатоци од 4.500 тела на тогашни германски војници, усташи и словенечки бранители. Министерот за внатрешни работи на Хрватска Томислав Карамарко рече дека на територијата на поранешна Југославија има над илјада такви гробници, 600 во Словенија, 840 во Хрватска и 90 во Босна и Херцеговина.

Ѓорѓи Банев-Доцев, поранешен македонски политички затвореник и претседател на Здружението на политички затвореници судени за идеите на ВМРО, истакнува дека наш цивилизациски долг е тие луѓе да се погребат на достоинствен начин.

- Истражувањето на најмалку две локации околу затворот „Идризово“ сигурно ќе покаже дека таму има остатоци од ликвидираните. Треба да се бара на местото каде што се копала земјата за тогашната тулана и на левиот брег на Вардар, на околу 300-400 метри од затворот. Само на тој начин ќе се дојде до повеќе сознанија за луѓето што во темницата на ноќта исчезнуваа од ќелиите, за судбината на еден Ѓорѓи Карев, братот на Никола Карев, Глигор Чулев, Трајко Попов и други - вели Ѓорѓи Банев.

Под превезот на тајноста
Историчарот Ѓорѓи Малковски, чии сознанија најмногу помогнаа да се најде велешката гробница на педесетина ликвидирани граѓани, вели дека кај нас работите со откривањето на ваквите локации е одамна запрена.

- Останаа уште многу работи што треба да се откријат но, за жал, не се одвојуваат пари за тоа. Сите досегашни истражувања сум ги правел со сопствени пари. Сега имам доволно сознанија за да се откријат две гробници на шеесетина ликвидирани граѓани од Куманово и од Ресен. Таква локација има и кај затворот „Идризово“ - истакнува Малковски.Тој посочува дека дел од луѓето се ликвидирани без каква и да е судска пресуда, а за некои смртните казни ги изрекувал воениот суд по брза постапка затоа што тие лица „соработувале со окупаторот“.

- Најчесто или немаше пресуди или пресудите беа монтирани. Егзекуциите во еден период добија толкави димензии што самиот Јосип Броз Тито мораше да интервенира за да запрат. Благодарение на таа интервенција, шеесетина прилепчани останаа живи откако беше планирано да бидат стрелани. Ликвидациите неретко се правеа и од лични мотиви или од нетрпеливост на поединци од новата власт кон луѓе што биле „од спротивната страна“ - објаснува Малковски. Неодамна и во Делчево беше побарано да се истражи локацијата нарекувана Стар монопол, на само еден километар од градот, поради сознанија дека и таму има масовна гробница на егзекутирани Македонци како жртви на комунистичкиот режим во 1946/47 година.Историчарите укажуваат дека информациите за таквите гробници имаат превез на најголеми тајни поради стравот на наредбодавците за нивната подоцнежна одговорност за извршените убиства.

Прво стрелање, па доказ
За тоа по каква постапка се вршеле егзекуциите покажува и еден документ, писмо на функционер на ОЗНА. Тој во писмото ги прекорува подредените полициски функционери затоа што дозволиле луѓето да се стрелаат без судска пресуда и без докази за вина. За да се најде некакво оправдување за егзекуцијата, тој во писмото им порачал „откако ќе ги ликвидираат да најдат докази за нивната вина“, вели Малковски.

http://www.mn.mk/aktuelno/2128-Masovnite...vo-zaborav
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National Liberation Front (Macedonia)

The National Liberation Front (abbreviated NOF) (Macedonian: Народно Ослободителен Фронт (НОФ), transliterated Narodno Osloboditelen Front), also known as the People's Liberation Front, was a communist political and military organization created by the ethnic Macedonian minority in Greece. The organization operated from 1945–1949, most prominently in the Greek Civil War. As far as its ruling cadres were concerned its participation in the Greek Civil War was nationalist rather than communist, with the goal of secession from Greece.[1]

While most of Greece was occupied by Axis Powers in World War II, resistance movements were created by Greeks while the collaborationist Ohrana battalions were constituted from among the Slavophone population

Some of them fought against the occupation, like Napoleon Zervas and his National Republican Greek League (EDES), while others were collaborationists, like the Ohrana, many of whom later joined the Slavic-Macedonian National Liberation Front (SNOF).[3][6]There was also the National People's Liberation Army (ELAS), a partisan army headed by the Communist Party of Greece (KKE). Although ELAS in some cases relied on forced mobilization, the ethnic Macedonians sympathized with ELAS and the KKE because of their friendly position towards the ethnic minorities of Greece and the fact they had acquiesced to Soviet demands for an independent Macedonian state that would contain most of Northern Greece.[7]

In the book After The war Was Over: Reconstructing the Family, Nation, and State in Greece, 1943-1960 edited by Mark Mazower and published by Princeton University Press, it is remarked that:

The testimonies started to grow more complicated and to reveal the true nature of the problem when the witnesses recounted the activities of an accused prisoner during the occupation who, having been a loyal friend of the Bulgarians in the early years of the occupation, would suddenly appear as a member of Slovenomakedonski Narodno Oslobodaekn Front (Slav Macedonian National Liberation Front). These were the Okhranists, armed members of Bulgarian-sponsored units, who were quick to join the Slavic-speaking units officially under the jurisdiction of EAM in order to avoid punishment after the occupation. Some of them even chose to espouse the SNOF manifesto regarding the autonomy of Macedonia. Others seem to have moved on to SNOF after active service with EAM. Many of the accused had absconded and were tried in absentia. They tended to be either fanatical supporters of the Bulgarian cause who had accompanied the departing Bulgarian troops in October 1944, or autonomists who had managed to flee to Yugoslavia.[3]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Li...onia)#SNOF
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Поклон пред близо 18, 300 българки и българи, сред тях и над 2000 деца между 6-12 г. станали жертва на повсеместния сръбски, национален и политически гнет, прогонване, асимилиране и физическо изтребление, вършени от сръбските окупатори и главно от зловещата организация „Църна рука” във Вардарска Македония 1919-1941 г.

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Black Hand

Balkan Wars
In 1912, differences between the two main groups of the Narodna Odbrana—political leaders of the Radical Party and military officers—arose. The political leaders preferred a more passive approach for the time being, including more peaceful relations with Austria and concentrating on strengthening Serbia for future struggle, but some of the military officers grew impatient with the more moderate radical policies. Consequently, the more zealous members of the Narodna Odbrana started a new secret society, and the Black Hand was founded.

Reportedly, they were involved in various crimes in Macedonia, during the Balkan Wars:

At Uskub, a central committee of "national defense", with branches in other Macedonian towns, was formed side by side with the higher command, upon the arrival of the troops. The population of Uskub called their station behind the house of Weiss, near the Russian consulate, "the black house," from the name of the league itself, "the black hand." The worst crimes were committed by this secret organization, known to all the world and under powerful protection.[6]

– Report of the International Commission on the Balkan Wars

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hand

Bulgarians in the Republic of Macedonia
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Bulgarians in the Republic
of Macedonia Total population
1,417 (census 2001)[1] to 20,000-30,000 Bulgarian citizens. (est.)[2][3][4][5]
Regions with significant populations
Strumica and region
Languages
Bulgarian

Religion
Eastern Orthodox

Related ethnic groups
Macedonians

Bulgarians are a non-recognised ethnic minority in the Republic of Macedonia. Bulgarians are mostly found in the Strumica area,[6] but over the years, the absolute majority of southwestern Republic of Macedonia have declared themselves Macedonian. The town of Strumica and its surrounding area (including Novo Selo) were part of Bulgaria between the Balkan wars and the end of World War I, as well as during the World War II. The total number of Bulgarians counted in the 2002 Census was 1,417 or roughly 0.07%.

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1.1 Yugoslavia
1.2 The fall of Communism to present-day
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3 References


[edit] History
[edit] Yugoslavia
Until 1913 the majority of the Slav population of all three parts of the wider region of Macedonia had Bulgarian identity.[7] In 1912, the region of present-day Republic of Macedonia became a part of the Kingdom of Serbia, thus becoming Southern Serbia. During World War II, most regions of Macedonia were annexed by Bulgaria. All local Slavic-speekers were regarded and self-identified as Macedonian Bulgarians.[8][9] After the end of World War II, the creation of People's Republic of Macedonia and of a new Macedonian language, it started a process of ethnogenesis and distinct national Macedonian identity was formed. The new Yugoslav authorities began a policy of removing of any Bulgarian influence, making Macedonia connecting link for the establishment of new Balkan Communist Federation and creating a distinct Slavic consciousness that would inspire identification with Yugoslavia.[10] With the proclamation of the Socialist Republic of Macedonia as part of the Yugoslav federation, the new authorities started measures that would overcome the pro-Bulgarian feeling among much of the population of Macedonia.[11] It has been claimed that from 1944 till the end of the 1940s people espousing a Bulgarian ethnic identity had been oppressed.[11][12] According to Bulgarian sources more than 100,000 men were imprisoned under the new "Law for the protection of Macedonian national honor" for refusing to declare they were ethnic Macedonians.[11][12] Some 1,200 prominent Bulgarians were sentenced to death in the towns of Skopje, Veles, Kumanovo, Bitola and Stip.[12] In 1946 two Bulgarian politicians were sentenced to death and another 74 men jailed for attempting to detach SR Macedonia from Yugoslvaia and join it with Bulgaria.[12] The Communist authorities were successful in removing all Bulgarian influence in the region.[11] In Macedonia the Bulgarophobia increased almost to the level of state ideology.[13]

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By the time the Republic of Macedonia proclaimed its independence those who continued to look to Bulgaria were very few.[11] Some 3,000 - 4,000 people that stuck to their Bulgarian identity (most of them living in Strumica and the surroundings) met great hostility among the authorities and the rest of the population. With the fall of Communism this hostility has decreased, but still remains.[11] Occasional trials against Bulgarophiles have continued until today.[14][15] It should be noted though that the Constitutional Court of Republic of Macedonia banned the organization of the Bulgarians in Macedonia Radko as "promoting racial and religious hate and intolerance".[16] The "Radko" association was registered in Ohrid in 2000. In 2001 it was proclaimed illegal. The association is named after the conspiration pseudonym of Ivan Mihailov, leader of Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization during the interbellum. In official Macedonian historiography, Mihailov is a terrorist and a Bulgarian chauvinist. In 2009 the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, condemned Republic of Macedonia because of violations of the European Convention of Human Rights in this case.[17] Nevertheless during the last few years, rising economic prosperity and the EU membership of Bulgaria has seen around 60,000 Macedonians applying for Bulgarian citizenship; in order to obtain it they must sign a statement declaring they are Bulgarians by origin. Another 20,000 to 30,000 have also received Bulgarian passports.[18][19] Probably the most prominent Macedonian that applied for and was granted Bulgarian citizenship is former Prime Minister Ljubčo Georgievski.[20][21] An estimated 500 Macedonians receive Bulgarian citizenship every week. This aggregates to about 50,000 Macedonian nationals who have received Bulgarian citizenship in the past 20 years.[22]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarians_..._Macedonia
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- 65 г. от „КЪРВАВАТА КОЛЕДА” във Вардарска Македония, когато са избити 1 200 македонски българи, а през следващите няколко дни още над 23 000, с цел да се заличи завинаги българското и се наложи със сила и страх сърбизация на населението (07.01.1945)

http://libpz-bg.com/kalendar.htm

1945 - Кървавата Коледа

http://vbox7.com/play:c8a418a5

На 7 януари 1945г. палачите на комунистическият лидер Тито убиват хиляди българи във Вардарска Македония. Историята помни този ден като „Кървавата” Коледа. През 1945г. Коледа се е празнувала на 7,8 и 9 януари. Точно тогава югославската комунистическа партия подготвя кървава баня за българи във Вардарска Македония. Погубени са 1200 българи, списъците за които са подготвени от Лазар Колошевски. Целта е била да се заличи българското самосъзнание и много бърза сърбизация. По време на репресиите през 1945г. по пътя между Охридското и Преспанското езеро, по чукарите на Галичица край с. Тешево и др. селища намират смъртта си 23 000 българи. Преспанското езеро поглъща телата на много от тях. Няма град във Вардарска Македония, който да няма своята кървава голгота. Над 130 000 българи са изселени, изгонени и преследвани, изпращани в концлагерите на Титова Югославия. Въпреки нестихващата болка по безследно изчезналите и гниещите в концлагерите, българският национален дух се оказва несломим. Кървавата Коледа остава най-черният и най-зловещият ден в българската история.

http://www.omda.bg/nova_joomla/index.php...Itemid=115

По повод годишнина от т.нар. Кървава Коледа ВМРО- Пловдив организира панахида в църквата „Св. Троица” от 11:00 часа на 7 януари/сряда/. На панахидата ще присъстват кметът на гр. Пловдив г-н Славчо Атанасов, предс. на ОбС г-н Илко Илиев, кметът на р-н Южен г-н Александър Колев, зам. кметът на Южен- Пламен Начев, както и кметът на р-н Тракия г-н Гиньо Матев. Всички заедно ще сведем глва и ще отдадем почит на едни истински мъченици на българщината.

На 7,8 и 9 януари 1945г., Коледа по стар стил, във Вардарска Македония са избити организирано 20 000 българи. Доктори, юристи, инжинери, учители, попове, търговци и занаятчии, са зверски изтребени от палачите на Титова Югославия. За 3 дни, целият елит на българското население от Македония е погубен, за да се унищожи българщината във Вардарско. Сред тях са д-р Димитър Гюзелев от Дойран, инж. Димитър Чкатров от Прилеп, д-р Константин Робев от Битоля, инж. Спиро Китинчев от Скопие, д-р Асен Татарчев от Ресен, Роза Койзаклиева- учителка от Щип, Илия Коцарев- юрист от Охрид и хиляди други.

http://www.bgfactor.org/news.php?cm=13&nid=46203
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1945 - middle of the May

Near the Austrian frontier, in Bleiburg, the massive brutalization of Croats had begun, perpetrated by the Partisan Army with numerous amnested Chetniks from Serbia enlisted. In the last battles and in "death marches" about 50,000 Croats, members of the NDH armed forces, their families and civilians, were killed or died. Many of them fell into the Partisan captivity suffering on the long "Way of the Cross". But, these are the facts based on the demographic estimates of Croatian scientist Zerjavic and Serbian Kocovic.
According to these analyses which give very similiar results, Yugoslavia lost about a million people in the World War II, out of them about 500,000 Serbs, 200,000 Croats and 90,000 Bosnian Muslims. Bosnia and Hercegovina suffered the following losses: 164,000 Serbs, 64,000 Croats, 75,000 Muslims and 9,000 Jews.
But, more recent exhumations which were done on the places of execution in Slovenia after the fall of Communism have brought some doubts about this statistics: against 50,000 Croats killed by the Communists on the whole territory from Austria to Macedonia, the Slovenian Commission for War Crimes identified about 190,000 people killed in Partisan massacres in 1945/1946. As according to the discovery of the Commission, about 10,000 belonged to the members of Slovenian Home Defence Guards, and 180,000 to Croatian soldiers and civilians ,this asks new questions -not bringing into doubt the status of Marshal Josip Broz Tito as the greatest war criminal on the territory of the former Yugoslavia.

http://www.hercegbosna.org/eng/history/h...45--7.html

Forced labor and imprisonment for opponents or undesirables was a characteristic of the Tito regime, as it was of other East European, post-war communist governments. The table provides estimates (lines 101 to 111) of the prison and forced labor camp population, and consolidates these into their annual populations for the periods 1945 to 1955 (line 112) and 1956 to 1965. There are only two estimates of how many of these died or were killed (lines 115 and 116). It is clear from the sources that life in these camps was hellish: "starvation, overcrowding, brutality and death-conditions, which make Dachau and Buchenwald mild by comparison."1 This was particularly true of the Goli Otok prison in which the conformists were held, as the letters from one inmate, Venko Markovski, well attests.2 With this in mind I calculated an annual unnatural death toll of 1, 2.5, and 5 percent of the prison/camp/forced labor population for the years 1945 to 1955; .5, 1.25 and 2.5 for the less Stalinist, subsequent years 1956 to 1965 (these are very conservative excess death rates, compared to the literature's generally low estimate of 10 percent for Stalin's camps 3). Together these rates yield a range of 17,000 to 206,000 people who died in the camps or prisons from 1945 to 1965 (lines 117 and 118). These deaths may still overlap with those under previous categories, as for "anti-communists, opponents," and "collaborators." I prudently assume that the percentage overlap is 75, 50, and 25 percent for low, mid, and high values, respectively, and I add these proportional amounts of the forced labor, camp, and prison deaths to the accumulated sum (line 119).

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Bleiburg massacre

The Bleiburg massacre[1] is a term encompassing events that took place during mid-May 1945 near the Carinthian town of Bleiburg on the Austrian-Slovenian (then German-Yugoslav) border.

Shortly after midnight on 13 May 1945, the British 5th Corps Headquarters in Austria estimated that there were "approximately 30,000 POWs, surrendered personnel, and refugees in Corps area. A further 60,000 reported moving north to Austria from Yugoslavia".[2][3] The columns had fled to southern Austria ahead of the advance of the Yugoslav forces, the Partisans, hoping to surrender to the British army. The British refused to accept the Axis surrender and directed them to surrender to the Yugoslav military. Most of the captured military personnel in the columns were subjected to forced marches over long distances.[4]

Contrary to explicit orders from the the Yugoslav prime minister and commander-in-chief Marshal Josip Broz Tito, and the General Headquarters,[5] Partisan troops (the military of the Allied state of DF Yugoslavia) summarily executed for treason and collaboration an unknown number of persons from the retreating columns of Nazi collaborationist forces previously in power in parts of occupied Yugoslavia.[6] The columns were for the most part made-up of remnants of the Ustaše of the Independent State of Croatia (NDH) (a fascist puppet state of the Nazi regime in Germany, established in occupied Yugoslavia) and remnants of the Chetnik movement[6]. The number of casualties has proven difficult to ascertain, with exact numbers being a subject of much debate. The events took place after the formal end of World War II in Europe, but at a time when hostilities on the Yugoslav front were still on, due to the goal of the local Axis forces to attempt an escape into the British occupation zone.[6]

Number of victims
The exact number of those who met their death in Bleiburg is almost impossible to ascertain. Unlike many other operations of the Yugoslav National Liberation Army, which have been described by the Yugoslav Communists in the minutest detail, very little has been written on operations in Slovenia near the Austrian Border during the week of May 7-15, 1945. This in itself would indicate that things occurred that official and pro-Communist historians consider best not discussed.[23] Generally, there are three schools that have tried to do this:

First school of thought
The first school whose estimates are based mainly on the historiographic and demographic investigations of scientists:

Historians made estimates, based mainly on the historiographic and demographic investigations:

Croatian journalist Vladimir Žerjavić estimates the numbers of Croats and Bosniaks who were killed during Bleiburg massacre on the Austrian border in 1945 at 60,000.[23][24]
Reports in the independent press state that actual figures of killed at Bleiburg were about 12,000 to 15,000 [25]
Second school
The second school based its findings on accumulated eyewitness accounts.

Juraj Hrženjak in his book, Bleiburg i Križni put 1945 ("Bleiburg and the way of the cross 1945") affirms that the majority of the victims in Bleiburg were killed by various means at the hands of Ustaše execution squads from elite formations like the Black Legion, who were treating all soldiers attempting to surrender as traitors and deserters for not fighting to the last. According to this research, a figure of between 12,000 and 14,000 people were shot after returning to Yugoslavia. Additionally, 20 individuals committed suicide and at least 1,500 concentration camp guards were shot near Maribor.
According to Misha Glenny, "As German troops streamed out of Yugoslavia the Croat fascist leader Ante Pavelić and 1-200,000 Ustaša troops and civilians set off for the Austrian border on 7 May 1945, with Partisan forces in hot pursuit. They got as far as Bleiburg, a small Austrian border town, before being surrounded by British troops to the north and Partisan's to the south. With RAF Spitfires buzzing overhead, about 30-40000 soldiers, including Pavelić, managed to disappear into the surrounding woods and then deep into Austria. But the remainder were taken prisoner by Partisan forces amid scenes of carnage. Some 30,000 Ustaše were killed on the four-day march towards the Slovene town of Maribor. On 20 May, near the village of Tezna, '50000 Croat soldiers and about 30000 refugees, mainly women and children, were executed over a five-day period. A macabre end to the "Independent State of Croatia".[26]
Petar S. Brajović, a Yugoslav general who participated in the battles around Bleiburg, claims in his book Konačno oslobođenje ("Final liberation") published in 1983, that the Ustaše did not suffer serious casualties during capture, adding that artillery was not used. The work affirms that a grand total of 16 soldiers were buried in the local cemetery. It is also estimated that a figure of 30,000 soldiers (6,000 of them Chetniks) and 20,000 civilians were captured by the Partisan 3rd Army.
Third school
This school bases its estimates on archeological evidence mostly consisting of mass graves found in Slovenia. Investigations are, however, at an early stage and therefore cannot be definitively linked with these incidents. The total number of potential locations that the Slovenian Commission on Concealed Mass Graves now intends to investigate is around 571.[27] The first excavations in a trench in Tezno Woods at Maribor uncovered 1,179 skeletons, believed to be of Croatians.[28] The trench is 1 kilometer long, 4 to 6 meters wide and the layer of human remains in the section excavated so far measures 1.5 to 2 meters deep.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleiburg_massacre
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1944-1945 killings in Bačka

The 1944-1945 killings in Bačka were ethnic cleansing of several tens of thousands of ethnic Hungarians in Bačka committed by members of the Yugoslav Partisan Movement after they gained control over the area between 1944 and 1945.

Controversy about number of victims

Various sources provide very different numbers of people killed. Yugoslavian document "The Book of Evidence of Killed War Criminals in 1944/1945" state that a total of 1686 were killed in Bačka, approximately 1000 of which were presumed to be Hungarians. The historian Kasaš estimates that 5000 Hungarians were killed.[5]

Some estimates range from 40,000[6] to 50,000.[7]

According to some sources, the most probable number of people killed is between 20,000 and 25,000,[6][8][9] while others claim that the most probable number is about 35,000 (Cseres Tibor gives an exact estimate of 34,491 persons killed).[10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1944-1945_k...Ba%C4%8Dka

Konz-Lagers of Yugoslavia
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Yugoslav Konzentrations-Lagers (1945-1990): There is a perpetual falsified propaganda from antifascist Allies and liberal-leftists up today, that by the fall of Croatian puppet state (NDH) Yugoslav Titoists allegedly deliberated and closed the Konzentrations-Lagers established from 1941-45 to exterminate Jews, Tzigans, Serbs and other non-Croats. However in the field reality, the most reputed 'Jasenovac' (correct: Jesenovec) camp continued to work intensely up to 1948 being misused for post-war torturing and massacring of 40,000-50,000 Croats (now falsely added as Serbs killed in war); but its late closing was formal and in 1948 it was immediately translocated to disreputed Goli Otok working to 1990. Moreover, other two Croatian camps created in WW2, i.e. these in Lepoglava and Gradiska (Stara Gradiška) really continued to work throughout 7 next decennia up today, being the perpetual sites for iterative torturing and killing of many Croats: 3/4 of Croatian national-rightists so far passed through their prisons, and many ones also perished there.

Results of Yugoslav Konz-Lagers

Together with Foibe massacres, these successive tortures of Yugoslav Konz-Lagers in 1945-1990 were very efficaceous means for eliminating undesired ethnic groups from Yougoslavia, either by their direct killings, or chiefly by forcing their exile. After all available indications together, about 3/5 of eliminated ethnic victims in post-WW2 Yugoslavia were Croats, then also partly Hungarians, Albanians, Macedonians, and rarely others. The result is that at least 1/3 of preexisting Croats were eliminated from Yugoslav territory (either by massacres or by forcing exile). In some attractive Yugoslav areas, these eliminations were even more efficaceous and radical. E.g. in the fecond plain of Bacska county (northeastern Yugoslavia - now northwestern Serbia) Hungarians were a former majority, but after WW2 there are decimated to 1/5 there. Especially in Dalmatian mainland, aborigine coastal Croats or Chakavians prior to WW2 included 21% of all Croats, and recently they are decimated in 12% only i.e a half of them disappeared in foibe, camps and exile. Moreover, in Montenegro coast 90% of former southern Croats now disappeared being a subtotal genocide there...

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1900-2000: A century of genocides
by Piero Scaruffi

Tito (Yugoslavia, 1945-1987) 570,000

http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html

Worst genocides of 20th c

Yugoslavia (Tito) 1944-87 1.072 million

http://www.christiantrumpetsounding.com/...urders.htm

List of massacres

1944 Backa killings c.20,000-34,500 Serbia Mass executions of Hungarian civilians by Yugoslav communist partisans.

http://www.lonympics.co.uk/massacres1.htm
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During the Communist Era the mass murder of Tito’s opponents was a taboo subject the breaking of which was threatened with severe punishment.

Even after the independence of Slovenia in 1991 it took more than ten years until an official investigation of the events of May 1945 could begin. A government Commission for Hidden Mass Graves under the leadership of Joze Dezman, Mitja Ferenc and Martin Kostreve has been able to locate over 500 execution sites since 2002 and undertaken exhumation operations. But the question is seldom put to the perpetrators. One would suppose that hundreds of persons now living in the successor states of the former Yugoslavia participated in these mass murders in the Slovenian “Katyan Forest Massacre”.

With the help of the British ten thousand of Tito’s bitterest enemies fell into his hands.

The British set lies and ruses in place in order to place more execution material into Tito’s hands. The Slovenian Home Defence Force had fled to Carinthia. There they were concentrated in a camp at Viktring by the British. They were promised evacuation to Italy but their sealed trains passed through the Karawaken Tunnel directly into the arms of the Partisan avengers awaiting them. Individual Partisans were no longer prepared to wait and began executing men on the train. All along the railway line there were scenes of apocalyptic proportions. Time and time again the train halted. Each time there were always more corpses thrown out of the boxcars. Home Defence soldiers were chained together and thrown down on the tracks and brutally tortured and killed. Most of the Home Defence forces were executed at the Hornwald (forest) of Gottschee and thrown into the caverns among the boulders there while at the same time the cracking sound of salvos of rifle fire from execution commando squads was heard coming from the forest all week long. The Germans had dug a long trench for their tanks in preparation for the defence of Marbug in Tezno. The Partisans spared themselves the trouble of digging graves. Up to 15,000 persons were led to the tank trench and executed with salvos of MG rifle fire. All of Upper Carinthia was gorged with execution sites: in castles throughout the region, in the mines at Lasko and former bunkers that were filled with corpses. The Secret Police of the Tito regime brought candidates for death by open trucks to the adjoining plateau or the Pohorje Mountains.

http://www.hrastovac.net/historical/Euro...sGrave.htm

(Serbo-Croatian: Union or Death), secret Serbian society of the early 20th century that used terrorist methods to promote the liberation of Serbs outside Serbia from Habsburg or Ottoman rule and was instrumental in planning the assassination of the Austrian archduke Francis Ferdinand (1914), precipitating the outbreak of World War I. The society was formed (1911) and led by Col. Dragutin Dimitrijević; its members were primarily army officers with some government officials. Operating from Belgrade, it conducted propaganda campaigns, organized armed bands in Macedonia (before the Balkan Wars, 1912–13), and established ... (100 of 179 words)

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Black Hand

Balkan Wars
In 1912, differences between the two main groups of the Narodna Odbrana—political leaders of the Radical Party and military officers—arose. The political leaders preferred a more passive approach for the time being, including more peaceful relations with Austria and concentrating on strengthening Serbia for future struggle, but some of the military officers grew impatient with the more moderate radical policies. Consequently, the more zealous members of the Narodna Odbrana started a new secret society, and the Black Hand was founded.

Reportedly, they were involved in various crimes in Macedonia, during the Balkan Wars:

At Uskub, a central committee of "national defense", with branches in other Macedonian towns, was formed side by side with the higher command, upon the arrival of the troops. The population of Uskub called their station behind the house of Weiss, near the Russian consulate, "the black house," from the name of the league itself, "the black hand." The worst crimes were committed by this secret organization, known to all the world and under powerful protection.[6]

– Report of the International Commission on the Balkan Wars

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В Скопие и този път не казаха истината за Венко Марковски

През месец октомври т.г. в Скопие изненадващо излязоха от печат две книги "за" и "от" Венко Марковски. Първата "Думи за Венко Марковски" от Гане Тодорвски и другата "Голи Оток - остров на смъртта" , издадена на английски език в Ню-Йорк.

По този повод Филимена Марковска, съпругата на поета, сподели впечатленията си за тях.

Преди всичко искам да благодаря на уважаваното от мен, а и не само от мен, но и от много българи списание "България Македония, че ми дава възможност да изразя мнението си по току-що появилите се нови издания "от" и "за" Венко Марковски.

Ще започна с книгата на Гане Тодоровски.

През месец май 2008 г. Гане Тодоровски посети дома ни в Банкя, и ни съобщи, на мен и дъщеря ми Султана Марковска, че ще пише книга под работното заглавие "Венко". Помоли ни за повече подробности свързани с творчеството му, но аз му предо-ставих моя статия, публикувана във вестник “Земя”.

След малко повече от година книгата на Гане Тодорвски излезе, без в нея да е написано нещо ново.

Третият дял от книгата обхваща всичко писано за Венко Марковски преди и след идването му в България. Но като цяло е скрита истината за творчеството му. Ето и пример: Венко Марковски наистина е един от членовете на комисията за създаването на така наречения македонски език. Важно е да се каже, че македонският език е сътворен и осъществен по решение на Информбюро. И още: Венко Марковски едновременно с това е и първият, които възнегодува срещу този изкуствен език и се противопостави на Мило-ван Джилас, за което беше отстранен от комисията във втория й вариант. По късно той много подробно в книгата си "Кръвта вода не става" осветли корените, изворите и конструирането на т.н. македонския език.

Вярно е , че Венко Марковски има написани творби на диалект, но същевременно той пишеше и на литературен български език. Онзи, който търси истината, сигурна съм, ще я открие не в книгата на Гане Тодоровски, който нарича Венко Марковски ренегат и родоотстъпник, а в книгата на Венко "Кръвта вода не става".

Втората книга "Голи Оток - остров на смъртта ", която издаде в Скопие издателство "Макавей" имаше оправдание да се появи, за да се опознаят злосторствата на великосръбския шовенизъм . Надявам се тя да излезе скоро и в България.

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Венко Марковски и неговата книга "Кръвта вода не става".

ПОКАЯНИЕТО
“КРЪВТА ВОДА НЕ СТАВА”

http://www.veni.com/venko/kravtavodanest...dgovor.pdf

ПРЕДГОВОР
О, неразумне и юроде!
Поради что се срамиш
да се наречеш болгарин...
Паисий Хилендарски,
Банско – Македония

http://www.veni.com/venko/kravtavodanest...-by-nc.pdf

ГЛАВА ВТОРА
Народ, който не познава
своята собствена история,
се поддава на асимилация
ДАЛИ БЪЛГАРИТЕ ОТ МАКЕДОНИЯ
ИМАТ СВОЯ СОБСТВЕНА ИСТОРИЯ?

http://www.veni.com/venko/kravtavodanest...-by-nc.pdf

ГЛАВА ТРЕТА
България е крива, че е жива

http://www.veni.com/venko/kravtavodanest...-by-nc.pdf

ГЛАВА ЧЕТВЪРТА*
Народ, който не изгражда
собствена литература,
ражда залеза на собствената нация

http://www.veni.com/venko/kravtavodanest...-by-nc.pdf
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Македонската кървава Коледа

Автор:
Веселин Ангелов

Тази книга представлява изследване, посветено на способите, чрез които през 1943-1946г. Вардарска Македония се създава и утвърждава като македонска република в югославската федерация. Написана е въз основа на източници от македонски и български архиви, на материали от тогавашната югославска, македонска и българска преса.

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10-10-2010, 11:36 AM
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(10-10-2010, 05:42 AM)NACIONALIST Wrote: Zarem uste nekoj ke ne ubeduva deka treba so tatarite da bideme braka i da imame dobri dobrososedski odnosi, poglednetego videoto i da naucat za tie sto neznaat koi se TURKO MONGOLITE.






Наци не те разбирам што се обидуваш да кажеш со отварање на теми на политика кои зборуваат за врњмиња кои се минато. Ние на политика пишуваме за денешни случувања за денешни проблеми на Македонија. Тоа што пишуваме за србизацијата и за српското влијание не е наша желба туку тоа е денешната реалност во Македонија. Ке те замолам во име на долгогодишното форумско дружење да го поштедиш форумов од спамирање. Можеби твојата заслепеност со Грујо не ти дозволува да ја видиш големата слика и во неа да ја согледаш вистинската улога на мали Груица. Ке ти дам еден добронамерен совет, симни ги Грујовите очила бидејки диоптријата е лажна и ке видиш дека Груица мали е полош и од Бранко и од Љупчо.
10-10-2010, 12:56 PM
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